I love hearing people talk about how “all we ever see kylo do is throw tantrums. it’s pathetic and lame. I can’t take him seriously.”
Like… He had 2. Most of the film he’s actually pretty calm and collected. And by that I mean he’s constantly repressing everything.
Or is it not cool enough ‘cause he took it out on a console instead of a real person…
The fact that Kylo took his anger out on consoles instead of people just shows that he has more self-control then Vader ever did. And yet he’s still considered the whiny one….
What a scrub. Can’t even Force-choke his subordinates like a real Vader……
He’s a little bitch who can’t fight a girl not trained with a lightsaber trying to use it as a fucking spear while he’s actually had formal training. Episode 7 was an abomination
…Try again.
He obviously has had a good amount of training which I’m sure would include lightsaber training as well. It’s proven at the start when he stops fucking BLASTER BOLTS in mid air. Then he proceeds to fight against someone using the weapon badly who has no formal training in the ways of lightsabers or the force. It SHOULD have went more like anakin vs the kids in the prequels. They did it only cause hurr durr look how strong Rey is. It’s bad writing just to show how “strong” she is.
Idk who is responsible for it, but how powerful he is jumps back and forth through the movie. It’s all over the place. That and being fended off by Rey as the station is exploding firmly cement him as lame. It’s 100% not the tantrums. How can you take someone seriously when they’re introduced as well as he was then you neuter him and make him incompetent and useless?
Tldr: he’s pathetic and lame cause of bad writing, not the tantrums
If that’s your reasoning your understanding of the film and character is pretty weak. Kylo didn’t lose to Rey because he’s weaker nor is it because she’s stronger.
Kylo slowly loses his shit throughout the film, starting out calm and collected. Soon, everything starts going wrong. He starts having explosive outbursts. Not because he ‘didnt get his way’ but because he knows these failures were caused by his own actions. The first thing he did was let Finn go. And it’s all been downhill from there. All because of his ‘weakness’. His compassion.
By the time the snow fight came up, he was distraught from what he’d just done to Han. Say what you want but the fact that he was severely effected by it and horrified by his own actions is canon. It’s in the script. It’s in the novelizations. That doesn’t put people in a good head space.
Not to mention, he got shot beforehand. By something that should have killed him. Why do people conveniently forget this detail. He was fighting Finn and Rey while he was bleeding out. They were fresh. They haven’t been touched! They weren’t injured or exhausted.
In that fight, Kylo was, was for a lack of a better word, a mess. Mentally, emotionally, physically…. He was not in great shape. He got cocky, and the he got reckless. He was all over the place. On top of that, he’s not out to kill Rey. That’s the defining factor for why Rey comes out on top in her first fight with him. HE’s not trying to kill her. But SHE is. That’s not to totally undermine Rey’s strength at all. She’s a scavenger. It’s canon that she’s had to fight to survive on some occasions. Doesn’t matter if she’s using the saber wrong, she still has an instinct. As a fighter, once you’ve had experience fighting with a weapon, it easier to pick up a new one you’ve never used and learn to handle it rather quickly.
Make no mistake, she is strong. But Kylo gave her that opening to fight back. He COULD have pushed her off that cliff edge, but he didn’t. He could have gone for a finishing blow, but he didn’t. The amount of times she turned her back to him in that fight is ridiculous. In the end he gave her that moment to connect with the Force. She took what Maz told and what she learned from being in Kylo’s head and used it then and there. She’s a fast learner. And she’s powerful. That doesn’t make Kylo a weak fighter though. They’re presented as equals. That’s the whole point.
In Snoke’s words: It isn’t her strength that’s making him fail. It’s his ‘weakness’. His compassion.
Kylo and Rey are powerful. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. This situation was not in Kylo’s favour at all. We were shown him possibly at his lowest. And I’m willing to bet the next time they fight, we’ll see Rey’s weaknesses in turn.
That’s not bad writing at all. It’s infinitely more interesting.
If being a male while being a complex emotional and conflicted character, who is strong with moments of weakness, is pathetic and lame you must think very little about 99.9% of people in general.
I’ve realized that the more diverse a cast is, the easier it is to spot the racist fans. They won’t ship a white main character with the black girl who’s his love interest because it’s “heteronormative” (it isn’t) and they want more “gay representation”. But then when his best friend is also a person of color they don’t ship them together because they just “don’t see them that way”. But then they’ll headcanon a Tragic Whiteboy Backstory for the kid that said literally 8 words to the main character. That kid will be their favorite character, their sweet little “cinnamon roll”and there’ll be 40,230 m/m fics of him and the main character. “Representation”. My ass.
it’s okay, you can say Star Wars: The Force Awakens
“black *girl*”
“and there’ll be 40,230 *m/m* fics of him and
the *main character*.”
I don’t remember Rey being Black.
I don’t remember Rey being Male.
I’m pretty sure this isn’t The Force Awakens you’re talking about, but let’s
pretend it is.
(There’s a fair amount of text here and since I know some people can’t be bothered, here’s
the most most important part:
Here are the numbers from fanfiction.net
37, 700 fics involving the Finn/Poe pairing
37, 400 fics involving the Rey/Kylo pairing
37, 800 fics involving the Rey/Finn pairing
Yeah, seriously, go to fanfiction.net right now and check.)
Okay, on to some analysis, and opinions.
Rey describes Finn as her “Friend”, and while that certainly doesn’t mean it
Can’t Ever Happen, it is evidence against Rey having romantic interest in Finn (she’s probably never had friends before so that’s way more important to her
right now).
“But then they’ll headcanon a Tragic Whiteboy
Backstory for the kid that said literally 8 words to the main character.”
What exactly is a Tragic Whiteboy Backstory in the SW universe? What does that
mean?
It’s true we don’t know much about Kylo, but – I mean, he descends from the Skywalkers,
so yeah it’s really not much of a stretch to assume his backstory is tragic.
And from what little we see of him, he’s a reasonably complex character with
huge ramifications for the entire concept of the Light and the Dark and the
nature of the Force.
There are overtly sexual overtones between Rey and Kylo, Disney has basically
taken the classic/dated presentation of sexual awakening (see: Death and the Maiden.
[Better yet, see this massive in-depth analysis that I’m frankly still in awe
of https://ohtze.tumblr.com/post/137735730948/death-and-the-maiden]), and used
it, rather brilliantly in my opinion, as an allegory.
It’s not a sexual Awakening that Kylo
provides Rey, but The Force Awakens likes to present it that way and poke fun at the
whole concept. Maybe Kylo and Rey will get together at some point maybe not,
but the way their relationship is presented in the film makes that conclusion difficult
not to reach.
It’s entirely possible the only reason it’s being presented this way is for the
sake of parodying that sort of story, but regardless of the intent – it’s
there, and I don’t understand why anyone is surprised or offended that it’s a
very very popular ship. And yes, Kylo is a bad dude, but SW is all about redemption,
in case you hadn’t noticed.
Lots of people ship Finn and Poe, actually.
There are certainly people who don’t, and a lot of those people are likely homo
‘phobic’ bigots, but some are just people who legitimately “don’t see them that
way”, and that’s fine.
That being said, yep, the Star Wars fandom is full of racists and sexists and
other terrible people, like most fandoms, just – much bigger and older.
Typically I find the works that teach the best morals have the worst fans. Star
Wars, My Little Pony, Steven Universe, Christianity, etc. The more the core
message is Love, the more likely people will be to completely miss the point and spread hatred in its name.
But I digress.
Anyways, the point is: Rey/Finn is evidently the most popular ship so relax.
Rey/Kylo is fine. Kylo has the potential to be an incredible character.
Finn/Poe is doing well too.
People have different ships and that’s okay.
Not *everyone* who disagrees with any of these ships is a bad person, even
though some definitely are.
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